I mean… It’s also just COOL sounding…
HED makes GREAT wheels.
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That sound is amazing for about 30 minutes of an IM ride and will drive you batshit insane for the rest of the time.
Source: me and the anxiety that sound gives me after hearing it reverberate through an aero helmet for hours on end…
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Haha. Having never driven a whomp-whomp bike, it seems amazing. Like a chest flex of power. Maybe I should avoid that space balls aero helmet while riding a solid disc.
I like you @rrheisler but am going to have to politely disagree…that whomp-whomp sound is amazing…
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If I recall correctly, it was a Giro Advantage 2. And that sound echoed around that thing for 5 hours and 40 minutes.
Even talking about the noise means I can hear it, and the trauma associated with it 
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There is another current thread on this topic. What I can’t understand is with the HEDs they seem worse of all worlds. They are hooked, but then still have an absolute limit of 80psi, recommended max of 70 with a 28mm tyre. If it wasn’t for that then I’d have ordered one earlier in the week.
Maybe I need to make a wheel/price table.
Another poster has created this website. The Wheel Atlas - Organising the world’s wheels
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You might are right, but, still, tell me that comfort for gravel riding or road riding that you are referring to we cannot achieve this on a hooked wheel?
Yes, sure, we can. Of course we can achieve that same level of comfort on a hooked wheel. I don’t argue that hooked wheels are bad, what I say is they don’t necessarily add something that a hooked wheel cannot offer. Can’t we put a wider tire on a hooked wheel with a wider inner rim width and ride it with lower pressure. Sure we can. So the use case for hookless is just not there.
I’m not a hater, I just don’t understand why it even came to the market as it only brings some issues that hooked wheels don’t have.
Jeroen
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Gotta find something that specs HED as the OEM wheels.
I would wonder how much the need for sram components affects the take up of zipp as oem
The minute hookless rims were announced I immediately pictured Press Fit bottom brackets. Several years on, manufacturers are moving back to threaded, as it should be.
I haven’t seen any facts to back up why hookless is any value to the consumer, other then “trust me bro”. It’s telling that we literally needed to reinvent the bead hook.
Hookless, just like press fit, is and was terrible execution. And before anyone says they are good ideas, sure, in a vacuum. Communism is also great on paper. Reality tends to be different.
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Canyon…
I am sure that can be optimized AS A SYSTEM with something to make it faster than something else. Then the bike manufacturers can make hay with the data.
I aero tested a female pro sponsored by Zipp who did not know her wheels were hookless. I was flabbergasted
I don’t find this example far fetched.
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Don’t sleep on the latest Bontrager RSL wheels either. They are underrated as well IMO.
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I once did. I hit a pothole descending and the sidewall of my tire sliced open and I almost crashed very seriously. Needless to say I do not use (or own) those wheels anymore. I use hooks and tubes. Was it the hookless design that caused the slice? Maybe. Maybe not. I believe it was, based on where the slice was located high on the sidewall, I dont see another plausible explanation. But I’m not risking my neck or my life to know for sure.
What’s your point asking me this question??
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I was just wondering.
That really surprised you?
Guarantee 90% of riders at any IM event have no clue. I’d bet 85%+ high level females don’t know. That’s not being sexist. They’re just not into gear like men are.
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I blew out a front first ride out on a new set of Zipps on a descent, hit what I think was a large rock in the road at just under 70kph. Same as you, slice on the sidewall but mine was on hooked.
Note that I am just being fair here, there is not a single parallel universe where I’m buying hookless, but bad things happen on hooked too. Just as I’ve ended up with tyres blowing out because I’ve caught a latex tube between tyre and rim. Doesn’t mean I don’t use tubes sometimes or it was the tube’s fault.
I know, but still you can answer the question i asked? Or can’t you because you don’t own a pair of hooked wheels or did you never did an optimal tire pressure testing?
It is not a difficult question nor the answer should be difficult, right?
Jeroen