This was EXACTLY my situation and the “sub optimal hookless wheelset” is a good training wheel. Top tires are expensive, a PITA to put on and wear quickly. So put a good wide training tire on the hookless, keep the pressure low, enjoy your training riders and slap on the disc/high performance tire on for race day.
Chances are the new bike will not come with all the optimal bit and pieces anyways
OR…order the bike, sell the wheels and buy something that meets your performance specs
BTW, tomorrow AM, I test a 808 with 30mm Corsa Pro against Premier tactical 88/Disc with GP5000 TT.
Fair question in this whole discussion, I do, I have a complete set of Cadex wheels among others the set of 4 spokes and the disc wheel. Equipped with Conti GP5000 28 mm, tested at 4.0, 4.5, 5.0 and 5.5 bar. Yes, i know, 5.5 is out of the safety limit but tested the fastest, over and over again. Also did 5.8 but I do not want to publish that, way too unsafe
Do you own a set of hooked wheels and did you ever do a proper tire pressure test for performance purposes?
The way I see it, 25 is mostly a no-go with hookless. 28 - which I run - is ok with a light rider or rough road quality where you’re good with less psi.
I think a lot of posters here have a black & white attitude when in reality it depends on the use case.
If I own a set of hookless wheels, and have the same concern about the public as a whole, will you at least admit the concern is valid? Similarly, my friend bought an aeroad, which comes with hookless wheels. Had i not explained what she bought, and what the implications of that are, it would be very easy for someone to buy the same bike and pump their tires up to 80 psi.
As per ISO, the wheels only need to not explode with a safety factor of 1.1. This means it would be perfectly acceptable for the tire to blow off at 80 psi in both cases listed above, as per the published standards. This is unacceptable for a consumer product to have a catastrophic failure with this kind of safety factor, in my opinion as an engineer. To their credit, for now, manufacturers hold themselves to higher standards. However, they are not required to do so, which we know will lead to someone making an unsafe product later down the road.
this has been the breakdown of communitcaion from the very start of hookless rims were discussed on ST dan focuses on comfort while the haters ( god forbid) focus on performance
to add triathlon performance as iam not aware of any hater having an issue for gravel hookless wheels .
Of course I would never buy it, full price. But it was actually relatively cheap.
If I looked at the price difference of Rival with a Vision 30 wheel, vs Force with a 808, it was a no brainer.
Ditto. Funny thing… my road bike I bought about 1.5 years ago came with ENVE 3.4 wheels and 28mm tires. They still sell the same combination, yet this is not UCI-legal any more. Like you, I am was OK with the 28s because I was only running 60 PSI on great roads. (I since upgraded to 30mm, not for compliance but more comfort.)
I need to start researching target high-performance 90mm/disc hooked wheelsets. I will likely want to run 25mm front and 28mm rear at 75 - 80 PSI on my TT bike. Maybe Princeton CarbonWorks - I think they are sticking with hooked rims.
Haha, I know. Princeton CarbonWorks are some of the coolest wheels I have seen, and I confirmed they are hooked. But they are also the most expensive wheels I know about.
But yeah, I will be hitting up the collective ST knowledge pool for hooked, high performance, and high quality 90/disc wheelsets.
I personally have a set of Premier Tactical that do really well even with 28, although I do run a 25 on the front. At one point they talked about a new generation of wheels, I would trust them. I always throw my wheel in the mix for a test.
I can’t justify buying more wheels, but I would absolutely try Parcours. Maybe the next set of wheels, but in theory I am never buying wheels again, so says my wife. [ pink ] the “I am never buying wheels again” is pink. The wife is not.
I have used DT Swiss quite a bit, personally and during testing of others not sure of the pricing, but they are amazing. SwissSide as well.
I have not used HED recently but they were always really good. Still have them on my RIM brake bike. The full carbon thing is not a factor for me.
Maybe I need to make a wheel/price table. No testing today, rain
I have HED Black 90/disc wheels now on my triathlon bike, and I absolutely love them. They are beyond fantastic, and an incredible value for the performance.
I also have a slight bias against spoked disc wheels, but here I am. For the next round, I prefer a solid disc for the whomp-whomp sound, but I am not bound to them. I have a bias that strongly convinces me that the whomp-whomp sound is faster.
I had the Swiss Side 60/80 wheelset for training and threw the solid Disc on for races. I ended up selling those wheels and going with HED Vanquish 60/80/Disc for training/racing. I put a few dings in the Swiss Side disc and generally had some “durability” concerns, and figured the HED construction might be better suited to traveling and racing. Plus, I really like the HED decals better and they are a hair wider.
